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Why the Chargers #1 Defense ranking was meaningless

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Blue Bolt, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. Blue Bolt

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    Chargers defense knows success is there for taking
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    The San Francisco 49ers, in a loss last year against the New Orleans Saints, turned the ball over four times and failed to take it away even once.

    The talk from outside the locker room and even some inside was about the charity the 49ers offense extended to the Saints.

    Greg Manusky, perhaps as few men so artfully can, explained it another way when addressing his players the next day.

    “You guys are all bitching about the obvious,” said Manusky, then the 49ers defensive coordinator. “Why don’t you (bleeping) take it away?”

    Oh, what fun he would have had with the Chargers in 2010.

    The Chargers took the ball away just 23 times last season, tied for ninth-fewest in the NFL. That total is even less impressive when taking into account almost half (11) of those takeaways came in two games (Jacksonville and Indianapolis). That means that in their other 14 games, the Chargers managed 12 takeaways.

    In 10 of their 16 games, the Chargers lost the turnover battle. Just five times did they win it. During a four-game stretch in October, they tied a team record by not creating a single turnover.

    Perhaps most telling (astonishing?) is that the Chargers had just four takeaways in the team’s losses.

    They knew it was bad. They didn’t know it was that bad.

    “Four?” safety Eric Weddle said, wide-eyed. “In seven games?”

    Yes, the dirty little secret about last year’s 9-7 record — hidden beneath the ugliness of a blundering special teams and an offense that too often gave away games — was the defense’s culpability in rarely helping the Chargers steal games.

    “Turnovers are the difference in most games,” linebacker Shaun Phillipssaid. “Most teams, most games are won or lost with the turnover ratio.”

    Indeed. Over the past four NFL seasons, teams that won the turnover battle won 80 percent of the time. In that span, the Chargers have gone 26-2 when winning the turnover battle. That includes 2007, when they led the NFL with 48 takeaways and a plus-24 turnover ratio. In fact, the Chargers were 10-0 that year when winning the turnover battle, 7-0 in 2009 and 5-0 last season.

    “That just lets you know,” Phillips said. “… Last year, we had opportunity where we didn’t take care of the ball and we didn’t create turnovers, which was, oddly enough, a non-playoff year.”

    Phillips’ attempt at irony aside, all this is why Sunday night in Dallas was so significant.

    After more than three weeks of Manusky and his assistants mentioning takeaways in some fashion in virtually every meeting, conducting turnover drills to start every practice and harping on taking the ball throughout those practices, the Chargers went out and got three takeaways in a 20-7 victory over the Cowboys.

    “You respond to the head coach, your position coach and your defensive coordinator,” Manusky said. “… I think if they hear it, keep on hearing it, and hearing it, and hearing it, and hearing it … maybe they keep on focusing on it during practice, and focusing on it during the game, and hopefully good things happen.”

    After Ron Rivera was hired as head coach of the Carolina Panthers, Manusky was brought in as defensive coordinator for one main reason and with one main charge. Turner believed him to be the man to make the defense more aggressive, which means pressure on the quarterback, not sitting back in crucial situations and taking the ball away.

    The NFL’s No. 1-ranked defense had reason to be proud. The Chargers did allow the fewest yards, if largely due to field position caused by turnovers and special teams letdowns. The Chargers allowed the sixth-fewest offensive points, the fourth-lowest third down conversion rate, the second-fewest plays of 20 yards or more and forced the third-highest rate of three-and-out drives.

    But the players also knew their ranking was a mirage and ultimately lacked pop.
    Said Weddle: “Until we are complete in every aspect — interceptions, turnovers — that’s when we’ll be a great defense.”
     
  2. 1 COOL GUY 13x world Chmp

    1 COOL GUY 13x world Chmp Jesus gives wisdom if you pray for it! Banned

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    If only we had my modern D.
     
  3. Blue Bolt

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    I believe they're working on it........ didn't they force 3 turnovers in the last preseason game against the Cowboys?
     
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  5. Concudan

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    You mean one that uses your thundur muphin scheme?
     
  6. Blue Bolt

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    That sounds dirty........ #imjustsaying ;)
     
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    Yea good point BlueBolt! D was solid. I just expect too much probably. Wish they could at least stack the LOS more and not give up free quick passes with our DB's 10 yards off WR at least...

    Wish i knew who u were u seem wise...

    I LOVE DEFENSE TBH
     
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    Yeah bro, I updated my Madden 11 rosters this morning and we had 9 sacks on the Chiefs, we're looking great! :rolleyes:
     
  9. Blue Bolt

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    I am a conundrum, wrapped in an enigma, sprinkled with confusion....... #imjustsaying
     
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    didnt that scheme only use 10 players?
     
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    The 10 player illustration of my :bolt:THUNDERHAMMER D, was to show how huge a tactical adv it really is, for those who don't understand why its the only defense that should ever be used. A real life gen1us would have been frozen when they saw a defense with only 10 players on the field that credibly looked like it would stop the 11 offensive players. No way would they not try and break it down an look for holes or weaknesses. Then they would use it right away after realizing how cool it would be to be the 1st team to win a SB with it.

    (Mixed in with other versions of it.) Add the built in delayed blitzes and so on and it would have us playing for SB's TBH. So many great things built in. If only I would have taken the path of coaching football only as my life choice then you would have been able to see it revolutionize football. So far every strategy i have designed has worked in real $ competitions and in another sport I coached/played. God allows those who pray wisdom to see clearly and blinds the haters. So if your a hater, you won't understand my written concepts or even the picture i posted of it.

    So i expect the same championship result, if anyone ever gets the Chargers to look at my tactics.
     
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    LOL.... LMFAO... This guy is either the most genius comedian ever to grace the forums or a nut job... :roflmao:

    Not sure which yet... :cautious:
     
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    Just want to know who bluebolt is and what he thinks of my :bolt:THUNDERHAMMER D..... Has he seen it? Why does he seem so amazing???

    Do we have geniuses lurking here?
     
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    How old are you exactly?
     
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    For the love of God, someone please tell me how to put this dude on ignore.
     
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    Don't bother, soon you'll find the humor in it all
     
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    Steps to follow:
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    3) See 1 COOL GUY 13x world Chmp's avatar
    4) close eyes
    5) scroll real down really fast
    6) repeat as needed....

    Hope this helps...

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  18. DenverBolt67

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    I vote Complete nut
     
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    Who, who, who, WHO Da Champ$!!!??? (My teams mod-do/saying last 13 world titles)

    Go chargers!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    World title in video games don't mean ****
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    I do
    I dont see too many teams running a 10 player defense. Heck even the Browns would be licking their chops to play against it.

    Yup, I cant think of one coach who would not call a timeout if he only had 10 players out on the field just prior to the snap.
     
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    The point was my ThunderHammer D I designed for the Bolts, gives 1 extra player freedom to wreck havoc on the opposing team with a HUGE advantage that no other D provides yet. One day or another my c0de built in formation adv will be used in 1 form or another in the future by 95% of every NFL team once its understood. (deciphered)

    There is much more to it but I won't disclose in public.
     
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    Manning seems to love calling quick snaps to get the D down a player... But hey, we are not 13 time world champs right?
     
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    Tru Dat!
    Mr. Concudan, I'm trying to help get us to #1 though! Chargers are going in the right direction with this years focus on D.

    My hope is that someone knows someone, talks them into looking at my top secret system to get us a HUGE tactical adv. I came to try and help with what I know, not just post random thoughts like normal fans do.
     
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    How about you send an email to the Chargers front office and pass on your defensive scheme to them, since no one here cares about it or believes it could even work in Pee Wee football.

    If the Chargers actually use your defense, then brag away. Until then, shut up because no one cares about your video game crap
     
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    Everybody knows "DEFENCE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS"

    Its as true today as it ever was!
     
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    Not sure the Rams and Colts wins support that, but then there is an exception to every rule.
     
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    The Colts defense only gave up like 10 or 11 points a game (average) through their playoff run
     

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