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Win the games or forfeit them?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan, Dec 9, 2012.

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Should the Chargers follow Ikeaman and Maitliack's advice and forfeit their remaining games?

Poll closed Dec 16, 2012.
  1. No! You play to WIN the game.

    95.2%
  2. Yes! It's always better to LOSE to gain draft position.

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  1. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

    Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan Well-Known Member

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    Lots of talk by Ikeman & Matilack on how the Chargers should lose or forfeit their remaning games. Should they?
     
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  2. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

    Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan Well-Known Member

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    And I can't spell Matilack.DOH!
     
  3. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    How in hell can a player, play to lose a game when their very paycheck can be affected by performance?????
     
  4. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    Stupid thread.

    Ike is saying we don't benefit from winning, and I agree, and thats where it ends...at least for me.
     
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  5. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Talk about losing on purpose if just fan pablum spewage.

    Too much money involved, to much pride involved for a team to lose on purpose. Not to mention that team would lose 80% of their fans for quitting in that manner...
     
  6. SDRaiderH8er

    SDRaiderH8er Well-Known Member

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    how come those teams that are always in the Super Bowl and always draft late in the rounds, why is it they always come up with good draft choices LATE in the round?
     
  7. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

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    Pay attention! He said that forfeiting should've been an option after the Ravens game.
     
  8. SDRaiderH8er

    SDRaiderH8er Well-Known Member

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    I did not know you could forfeit an NFL game? Hell they made the Chiefs play after the suicide then the Cowboys had to play after the drunk killed Jerry Brown.
     
  9. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    What does it matter in ickman says we should lose? He is entitled to his opinnion, no matter how short sighted and silly it might be.

    Is it worth arguing about? IF the team starts losing on purpose we will have tons to argue about.:D
     
  10. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

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    I'm not sure if you can either. But Ikeman said that should've been an option for the chargers after they lost to Baltimore.
     
  11. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

    Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan Well-Known Member

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    Silly poll for a silly opinion. :)
     
  12. Sydalish

    Sydalish Addicted to Sports

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    He's not alone in his thinking. This "lose to win" mentality is all over. Pretty valid question for the fans. Do you want your team to fight to win, even when it seems "meaningless" or do you think a higher draft position is worth losing games?
     
  13. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    Well thats something else entirely, forfeiting is bullshit. I'm just kind of hoping we play hard and unfortunately get tagged with a flukish loss due to a muffed punt or a blocked FG.

    I do agree though that winning only diminishes our leverage in the draft...and serves no other purpose than a quick "fix" for our egos.
     
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  14. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    How many fans would continue to support a team that INTENTIONALLY threw games? I wouldnt.
     
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  15. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    I wouldn't.
     
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  16. Sydalish

    Sydalish Addicted to Sports

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    That's the point of the question Conc. It's a stupid suggestion. So why are so many fans behind the "lose to win" mentality? If they don't actually want their team to forfeit/throw games, they just want them to suck? So they can jump up a few spots with no guarantee their pick is any better?

    Either way you slice it, that's pretty sad.
     
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  17. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    I dont know that a lot of fans are behind it. I imagine there are some who think themselves the next Lombardi because they make the suggestion, but it is just a suggestion that is born of the Madden NFL and Fantasy Football mentality.

    I also disagee as strongly as I can with you that this is a valid question in any way.
     
  18. Pointyearedog

    Pointyearedog I love the smell of football in the morning.

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    I thought only T-ball games, little league and crooked colleges had forfeits? Come to think of it, isn't it the intention of both teams that take the field for a game that they are there to win? I do not think that in the history of the game (modern era, AFL/NFL merger) that any team ever took to the field with the intention of losing just so they could have a better draft pick in the Spring. Whoever has that notion is just plain stupid.
     
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  19. Holy_Bolt

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    I want the Chargers to win every game. I think what many are thinking/feeling, it just doesn’t sting as much when they lose now…the silver lining is a better draft pick. So yes I want to win and I want a team that fights every time they are on the field. But now that we are out of the hunt, I don’t get frustrated anymore by a loss. Disappointed yes, frustrated no.
     
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  21. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Losing at anything is never an option, never!!!!!!
     
  22. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    Sometimes it's ok to lose a battle in order to win the war.
     
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  23. FCBolt

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    Always always always play to win.

    You tell an athlete that you're throwing the game, or you give them any inkling that you're throwing the game, you've lost them forever. That would be a very poor move if Spanos were to try it.
     
  24. HollywoodLeo

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    That's all fine and dandy, except losing the battle doesn't really win the war.
     
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    Black is never white.
     
  26. ETicket

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    Exactly.

    I don't get how so many are confused and/or upset by Ikeman's position. It's pure logic. Spock fans get it, but I guess the Captain Kirks ain't buying it. :)

    For me it's simple. I always root for my team to win when I go to a game or watch on TV. I enjoy the game, cheer them on, and celebrate a victory.... but... I realize that the best outcome for the team's future at this point, is a loss.
     
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  27. Ikeman83

    Ikeman83 Werter Pöbel

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    No, I said that it would've been in their best interests to forfeit. Also, I never said that it's "always" better to lose.
     
  28. Ikeman83

    Ikeman83 Werter Pöbel

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    Tell that to the Colts.
     
  29. Moses

    Moses Yeah Buddy!

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    If winning out gives Norv a chance to keep his job, then I'm sorry, I love this team, but the price of those wins is too high. Like some people have said above, sometimes you have to lose a little battle in order to win the war.
     
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  30. Lance19

    Lance19 BoltTalker

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    Actually, CBF, I thought it was very sweet of you to deliberately misspell both posters' handles...
    in a gentle effort to minimize the embarrassment of a "fan" holding such a silly position.
    (At first, I thought "Ikeaman" referred to that guy on my block who ain't quite right, but really enjoys assembling low end furniture)
     

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