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With the first round selection the biggest bust is?????

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by charger1993, May 7, 2010.

  1. charger1993

    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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  2. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    BS

    Leaf makes Russell look like Joe Montana.

    Check the stats. As horrible as Russell has been, Leaf was a helluva lot worse in every category.

    Then let's focus on attitude. Russell's biggest problem is he's a lazy bum who doesn't seem to want to put in the effort to take his game to the next level. That is an issue (he wouldn't be in this conversation if he didn't have horrible traits in his own right)

    But compare that to Leaf's similar lack of a work ethic that he combined with being an outright ******* who managed to turn an entire fanbase against him in less than a year and Russell looks like a Saint and a workhorse.

    The only thing Russell has on Leaf in this discussion is that he was drafted in the 2000s instead of the 90s and was, therefore, given a bigger contract.
     
  3. charger1993

    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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    some of that i agree with, but russell is a terrible qb, i honestly think if he gets 2 more shots like leaf did, and does even worse he will pass leaf as the biggest draft bust,i do agree leaf was garbage but so is russell but apparently the nfl thinks he was a bigger bust to
     
  4. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    I'm not saying Russell is/was any good. He's quite possibly the second biggest bust ever.

    It's just that, as horrible as Russell is/was, Leaf was 10x worse.

    Whatever extra shots he gets won't change that either because those shots would come with teams that didn't draft him.
     
  5. Layne

    Layne Banned Banned

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    In 15 yrs. or so there will be another player to over take both Russell and Leaf.

    I think Brian Bosworth was worse than either of these fine gents, the way they sold him to the public for 2 seasons before he went to the NFL coupled with the fact that the dude rocked a headband rainbow mullet and got run over by Bo Jackson.

    Not too mention the guy got banned from the 87' Orange Bowl for roids and was in some of the worst B movies ever made.
     
  6. coachmarkos

    coachmarkos BoltTalker

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    agreed. we're just to far removed to remember how bad he actually was.

    JaMarcus's biggest problem? completion %...can't throw accurately, right? He has a better completion % than Leaf. Now that is saying something.
     
  7. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    It's impossible to label one guy the worst of all time. I can accept Leaf being named Chargers all time bust but not throughout the NFL.

    How about a guy like this:Ante Josip "Tony" Mandarich (born September 23, 1966 in Oakville, Ontario) is a former football offensive lineman of the NFL. He was the first round draft pick of the Green Bay Packers in 1989, second overall behind Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman, and ahead of the third selection, Hall of Fame running back Barry Sanders, the fourth selection, Hall of Fame linebacker Derrick Thomas, and the fifth selection, perennial All-Pro cornerback Deion Sanders. He is tied with Charles Rogers as the second highest drafted Michigan State player ever (behind Bubba Smith). He is also the highest-drafted Canadian-born player in NFL history. In 1989, Sports Illustrated called him "The Best Offensive line prospect ever"[1] But his career led into what is considered by many to be one of the biggest busts in NFL history.
     
  8. Enormo

    Enormo BoltTalker

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    BS

    At a certain point the ammount that a player sucks is immaterial. If they are not an NFL caliber quarterback there's no need to get all hot and bothered over the size of their jock.

    Neither of them cut the mustard. Both were let go. At that point it becomes a question of how much a team spent.

    Number 1 pick > Number 2 pick

    Like Russell more? Write him a love letter... because each team's management sure as hell won't.
     
  9. HollywoodLeo

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    If that's your criteria Leaf is still the bigger bust.

    The Raiders spent a 1st overall on Russell.

    The Chargers spent 2 1st round picks ('98 #3 overall, '99 #8 overall) a 2nd round pick ('98 33rd overall), LBer Patrick Sapp, and KR/PR Eric Metcalf to get Leaf.

    So...who spent more?
     
  10. NORV4LIFE

    NORV4LIFE NO MORE NORV!!!!!

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    Gonna have to agree. I know that Russel was awful but leaf was that much worse and russel didn't have temper tantrums...

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  11. Enormo

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    That's fair.

    Doesn't mean your previous argument wasn't BS.
     
  12. LV Bolt Fan

    LV Bolt Fan Well-Known Member

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    To be technical, the Chargers spent the #2 pick in '98.
    :icon_tease:

    Leaf is still the bigger bust. The Raiders still "paid" more.

    :icon_rofl:
     
  13. Savage Lizard

    Savage Lizard Charger fan at 7000'

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    One of the most overrated plays ever. Not that I'm defending Bosworth, but a dude with a head of steam will almost always "run over" a guy who is pretty much standing up and coming from the side to make the play. People act like Jackson trucked Bosworth or something, but it didn't really go down like that.
     
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    This is from an article listing the 5 biggest reaches of the draft.

    http://gridironexperts.com/the-5-biggest-reaches-of-the-draft

    RB, Ryan Matthews, 1st round 12th overall, San Diego Chargers

    San Diego desperately needed a back to replace the all time great Ladanian Tomlinson, so desperately that they virtually gave up their entire draft for one. In order to move up 16 spots the Chargers traded away pick 28 overall, their second round pick (40 overall), and 4th rounder (126 overall) and linebacker Tim Dobbins. Ryan Matthews is a physical runner that has the ability to be an every down back. Matthews has a true North-South running ability that separates him from those who dance around in the backfield, (and subsequently seem not to succeed at the pro level). In a draft year that saw the Chargers select only one more player the entire day (FS, Darrel Stuckey, 4th round) the Chargers brass must make sure they are happy with their decision, or this may turn out to be one of the sourest deals from the draft.
     
  15. DenverBolt67

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    Did they forget about Butler?
     
  16. charger1993

    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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    o yea just to let you know Russell was paid 100,000 per completion, tom brady gets paid 24,000, and peyton manning gets paid 35,000
     

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