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  1. SuperCharger92

    SuperCharger92 BoltTalker

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    Since the draft and free agency is over with, possibly a few late additions to the squad via free agency, trade, waivers, etc. It's still only May, but something fun to talk about heading into training camp. Name your 53 on the current roster you'd want to have for the 2014 season..

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  2. SuperCharger92

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    My 53..

    QB. Philip Rivers, Brad Sorensen
    RB. Ryan Mathews, Donald Brown, Danny Woodhead, Marion Grice
    WR. Keenan Allen, Vincent Brown, Eddie Royal, Tevin Reese, Tobias Palmer, Seyi Ajirotutu
    TE. Antonio Gates, Ladarius Green, David Johnson
    OT. King Dunlap, DJ Fluker, Mike Harris
    OG. Chad Rinehart, Chris Watt, Johnnie Troutman
    C. Nick Hardwick, Nick McDonald

    DE. Kendall Reyes, Corey Liuget, Lawrence Guy, Kwame Geathers
    NT. Ryan Carrethers, Sean Lissemore, Tenny Palepoi
    OLB. Melvin Ingram, Dwight Freeney, Jarrett Johnson, Jeremiah Attaochu, Cordarro Law
    ILB. Donald Butler, Manti Te'o, Kavell Conner, Andrew Gachkar
    CB. Jason Verrett, Shareece Wright, Marcus Gilchrist, Brandon Ghee, Steve Williams, Richard Marshall
    SS. Brandon Taylor, Jahleel Addae, Alden Darby
    FS. Eric Weddle, Darrell Stuckey

    K. Nick Novak
    P. Mike Scifres
    LS. Mike Windt

    Malcolm Floyd (PUP)

    Practice Squad.
    RB. DJ Adams.
    WR. Brelan Chancellor.
    TE. Ryan Otten.
    OL. Nick Becton.
    OL. DJ Johnson.
    DL. Ricky Tjong-A-Tjoe
    LB. Colton Underwood.
    CB. Marcus Cromartie.
     
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  3. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    My first thought when I read this....man we lack depth. There's quite a few names up there I have no confidence in, but I could see you being right on most of them. Guys like Mouton, Geathers, Williams, Law, Guy, Ghee, and McDonald are either garbage, injury prone, or just unknown quantities.

    I don't actually think we'll carry 6 OLBs, seems like overkill.
    I also wonder why you have McDonald over Ohrnberger given the vet can play 2 positions.
     
  4. JohnnyX

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    Wow, that is weak WR core and SS group is just plain sad. You guys weren't kidding when you said TT & MM were in large scale manufacturing of this team. If most these draftees pan out it could be until 2015-2016 before we see a good team brought together(barring any Free Agency pickups)
     
  5. Boltjolt

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    They won't carry 11 LBs. 10 tops, usually 9. Can't see Mouton making the team. Too many DBs too. Gilchrist will play SS and some CB so no need for Darby.
    Dont see us carrying three QBs and Clemens should beat out Sorenson.
    Think we keep 3 TEs....and looking at the OL, man just looks like we need to keep Clary...unfortunately. OG looks weak and I don't like Harris

    Man can't wait to see who SF cuts. They have so many players these past two drafts and guys like Tank Carradine wasnt even active last year. Hopefully we can grab one. Their cuts will be better than our depth.


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  6. Bolts4lyfe

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    Offense (23)

    QB: Philip Rivers, Kellen Clemmens

    RB: Ryan Mathews, Donald Brown, Danny Woodhead, Marion Grice

    WR1: Keenan Allen, Malcolm Floyd, Seyi Ajirotutu

    WR2: Eddie Royal, Vincent Brown, Tevin Reese

    TE: Antonio Gates, Ladarius Green, David Johnson

    LT: King Dunlap, Mike Harris

    LG: Chris Watt, Johnnie Troutman

    OC: Nick Hardwick, Rich Ohrenberger

    RG: Chad Rinehart

    RT: DJ Fluker


    Defense (27)

    LDE: Kendall Reyes, Kwame Geathers

    LOLB: Jarrett Johnson, Melvin Ingram, Cordarro Law

    LILB: Donald Butler, Reggie Walker

    NT: Sean Lissemore, Ryan Carrethers

    RILB: Manti Te'o, Kavell Conner, Andrew Gachkar

    ROLB: Dwight Freeney, Jerry Attaochu, Tourek Williams

    RDE: Corey Liuget, Lawrence Guy

    RCB: Jason Verrett, Richard Marshall,

    FS: Eric Weddle, Darrell Stuckey

    SS: Marcus Gilchrist, Jahleel Addae, Brandon Taylor

    LCB: Shareece Wright, Steve Williams, Chris Davis



    Special Teams (3)

    PK: Nick Novak

    P: Mike Scifres

    LS: Mike Windt
     
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    My 53..

    3 QB. Philip Rivers, Kellen Clemmons, Brad Sorensen
    4 RB. Ryan Mathews, Donald Brown, Danny Woodhead, Marion Grice
    6 WR. Keenan Allen, Vincent Brown, Eddie Royal, Tevin Reese, Dontrelle Inman, Breland Chancellor
    4 TE. Antonio Gates, Ladarius Green, John Phillips, David Johnson
    3 OT. King Dunlap, DJ Fluker, Nick Becton
    4 OG. Chad Rinehart, Chris Watt, Jeremy Clary, Johnnie Troutman
    2 C. Nick Hardwick, Nick McDonald/Rich Ohrnberger

    3 DE. Kendall Reyes, Corey Liuget, Lawrence Guy(NT)
    3 NT. Ryan Carrethers, Sean Lissemore(DE), Kwame Geathers
    5 OLB. Melvin Ingram, Dwight Freeney, Jarrett Johnson, Jeremiah Attaochu, Cordarro Law/Larry English
    4 ILB. Donald Butler, Manti Te'o, Kavell Conner, Reggie Walker
    5 CB. Jason Verrett, Shareece Wright, Brandon Ghee, Steve Williams
    2 SS. Marcus Gilchrist (NB), Jahleel Addae
    2 FS. Eric Weddle, Darrell Stuckey

    K. Nick Novak
    P. Mike Scifres
    LS. Mike Windt

    Malcolm Floyd (PUP)

    PS:
    Torrence Allen
    Rickey Tjong-a-Tjoe
    Alden Darby
    Greg Ducre
    Kenny Wiggens
    Jake Byrne
    Marcus Cromartie
    Kerwyn Williams
     
  8. SuperCharger92

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    Mouton I don't have much confidence in, but if he stays healthy and actually shows something in pre-season, he should be able to beat out guys like Reggie Walker and others at ILB.

    Geathers I don't think fits at NT. I think he can be more effective at DE to be honest. I really liked Guy last year, thought Guy and Lissemore played better at DE at times than Reyes and Liuget when they we're first worked in.

    Ghee is still a very solid CB if he stays healthy. That's his problem. Wouldn't mind keeping him around as depth. Tourek Williams we saw flashes of, but he provided a more explosive step than Keiser which is why I rather have him, he seems more energetic and hungry.

    McDonald will surprise people I believe. He can play anywhere on the OL, but since entering the NFL he's been groomed to play C. He was a starter at OT his senior of college and played very well.
     
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    Last year was probably the worst LB group I've ever seen on an NFL football field. Guys like Bront Bird and Thomas Keiser were are starters for some games throughout the year.

    I don't think Gilchrist will play SS. He wasn't a safety in our nickel package at all last year, he was the nickel CB and he was the best CB when lined up in the slot on the field. Love that position for him. Darby might be useful as a tweener at safety and a zone corner. Addae will get more snaps at SS and hopefully Brandon Taylor as well.

    Agreed on SF though, they'll deff have some solid players hitting waivers.
     
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    Stephen Williams was cut by JAX, he always seemed talented surprised he hasn't stuck anywhere. I'd take a flier considering how weak our WR corps is.
     
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    Yeah it was bad but they won't carry 11 of them usually its 9, ...10 will be tops.
    And Mouton has shown nothing to beat out anyone. Agree on Geathers. I think they see him as a DE.

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    Seeing how its apparent he isn't returning, Would be awesome if we could convince S.F. to trade us Crabtree for a 2015 4th/potential 3rd round pick
     
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    Crabtree is on a #10 pick overall contract. Doubt we have the cap room for him.
     
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    Bank of Clary :) Haha just kidding

    He is due only 3 million this year though, but looking at their WR depth chart, I'd love to get a hold of a couple of guys on there

    Baldwin, Patton, and newly acquired Ellington are 4th 5th and 6th on the depth chart
     
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    Baldwin along with Brandon Lloyd, David Reed, and Devon Wylie are probably the only ones to get cut from their WR corps. Maybe, just maybe they'll trade Crabtree but I doubt it. Crabtree and Steve Johnson both get off the line so well and quickly and it helps Kaepernick because he is a QB who has always struggled getting through progressions so guys that get off the line quick and get open he tends to find quicker. Plus, Boldin still there for another year or two.

    I would trade for Boldin but I'd give up similar to what SF gave up, 6th round draft pick.
     
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    Think this is pretty much right on. Only questions I have on offense is the possibility of Grice going to the practice squad so they can keep Phillips or another tight end as Johnson will be a blocking TE/FB, but I would say Grice is better than 50/50 to get the nod. Also wonder if Floyd can make it all the way back and if not I expect them to use the money they save on cutting Clary for a veteran #2 receiver like Santonio Holmes or Miles Austin. Both can be had for cheap and Tutu can take over if either get hurt (And both would probably get hurt) As for the defense only questions I have are does Ghee beat out Marshall, Does Taylor even make the team (Possibly replaced by Darby), I think Addae beats Gilly for starting SS (Addae has been working like a madman this off season), and wondering if we carry 10 lb's or a 9th OLineman. I think this is awfully close though.
     
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    I also am interested to see if Inman can crack the roster.
     
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    No way does Chris Watt, who they used a 3rd rd pick on, not make the 53man roster. Grice would be cut before he is.
     
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    QB: Philip Rivers, Kellen Clemens
    RB: Ryan Matthews, Danny Woodhead, Donald Brown, Marion Grice
    WR: Keenan Allen, Malcolm Floyd, Eddie Royal, Vincent Brown, Tevin Reese, Seyi Ajirotutu
    TE:Antonio Gates, Ladarius Green, David Johnson
    OT: King Dunlap,DJ Fluker, Mike Harris
    OG: Jeremy Clary, Chad Rinehart, Chris Watt, Johnnie Troutman
    C: Nick Hardwick, Rich Ohrenberger

    (26)
    DE: Corey Liuget, Kendall Reyes, Lawrence Guy
    NT: Sean Lissemore, Ryan Carrethers, Kwane Geathers
    OLB: Melvin Ingram, Dwight Freeney, Jerry Attaochu, Jarrett Johnson, Larry English, Cordarro Law
    MLB: Donald Butler, Manti Teo, Kavell Connor, Andrew Gachkar
    CB: Shareece Wright, Jason Verrett, Steve Williams, Brandon Ghee, Richard Marshall
    S: Eric Weddle, Marcus Gilchrist, Jahleel Addae, Darrell Stuckey, Brandon Taylor

    (3)
    K. Nick Novak
    P. Mike Scifres
    LS. Mike Windt
     
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    Clary is not going to be cut. If that was to happen, it would already have happened. Telesco would have been sure of getting a guard in the draft. You can entertain fantasies about spending Clary's money and leaving him off your pretend rosters. But that is exactly what that is. Fantasy.
     
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    Probably right at this point, money well wasted if he doesn't win the RG job.
     
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    There is only a very minimal danger of that happening. It would be less likely than Hardwick losing his job to Ohrnberger... (who does have some good experience).
     
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    who do you think I have at LG?!?!?!?!?
     
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    This is pretty much perfect. Just personal preference but I might switch Sorenson out with Clemens. And Reggie Walker out for Gachkar. It could go either way.

    I guess the depth is a lot better this year, as a UDFA might not even make the team! The only spot that seems logical at this point, barring an unforseen injury, is Brandon Taylor for Darby. If Taylor can stay healthy id see him making the roster, but that has been very hard for him thus far.
     
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    Oops sorry, guess I'm blind!
     
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    I don't think it's cut and dry at all. They could decide to let Watt stay at LG and compete with Troutman (also more experience at LG), and move Rinehart who has experience at both to compete with Clary at RG.

    And don't forget Watt turns 24 before the season starts, he's not a young raw talent guy he's a technician who's known for simply NOT making mistakes.

    Clary is far from a sure bet to start.
     
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    The probability of Clary getting cut by the final roster is about 1 in 3 which is basically and historically speaking about the same odds for a 7th round pick making the final roster. If Clary gets cut, it will be because he will not only lose his starting job but also because he will be deemed not good enough for a back-up RG/RT. You are correct in your assessment that if saving money on the cap was TT's objective, Clary would have already been disposed of.

    What is fascinating to me is the idea that some of these 53 man rosters I'm noting on here include such powerhouses like Jonas Mouton and Larry English. Come on guys, I'm not a Clary homer (Sandy will attest to this) but with all due respect, those two can't even carry Clary's jockstraps if measured in terms of guts, durability and contributions! If the idea is to keep bums around who don't cost us a single dime this season, then your definition of cost and that of some of the others, yours truly included, are vastly different definitions.
     
  28. AnteaterCharger

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    Starter(s) in bold
    QB: Rivers, Clemens, Sorensen
    RB: Mathews, Brown, Woodhead, Grice
    FB: D. Johnson
    WR: Brown, Allen, Royal, Reese, Ajirotutu, Chancellor
    TE: Gates, Green
    OT: Dunlap, Fluker, Harris
    OG: Rhinehart, Clary, Watt
    C: Hardwick, Ohrnberger (O: 25)
    DE: Guy, Tjong-A-Tjene, Liuget, Reyes
    NT: Lissenmore, Carrethers
    OLB: Freeney, JJ, Ingram, Attaouch, Underwood
    ILB: Te'o, Butler, Gachkar, Connor, Walker
    CB: Verrett, Wright, Williams, Ghee, C. Davis
    S: Weddle, Addae, Stuckey, Gilchrist, Darby (D: 26)
    K: Novak
    P: Scifres
    LOS: Windt (thanks Blitzy)
     
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    Herr Blitzschlag as the voice of reason... (there will be no Nobel Prize nomination in the context of conquering the mud pit).

    Your calculation could be accurate, but I believe there to be a couple of intangibles that make it an even longer shot. Continuity on the OL has been the key to the Chargers modest success of the last few seasons. Every change has brought digression before improvement... (with the exception of Ohrnberger and Fluker). I think the stats would show that Fluker enjoyed his best play teamed with Clary at RG.

    I believe that in a total rebuilding project you can take apart the OL. It does not appear that the Chargers are moving in that direction. The draft should confirm their intentions to remain as competitive as possible this season. Whether that is wise in the long run will be seen.
     
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    This is what I concur with, with the exception of perhaps retaining 2 x QBs and also having our LSer on the ST ;)
     

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